able to slip a progressive idea in here and there." that's a tight rope to watch, isn't it? >> it is. it certainly is. you know, ever since my -- when i was first elected back in 1990 to the house -- >> as a socialist. >> as an independent. but, if you ask me, am i a democratic socialist, consistent with what goes on in scandinavia? i am. >> which means? >> which means that health care should be a right of all people, that higher education should be a right and kids shouldn't graduate $50,000 in debt, which means that we should pass legislation that represents the interests of working families, not big money interest, which means that we should be aggressive in reversing global warming and protecting the environment for future generations. you know, which means that workers earn a decent wage. all of these ideas, which people have talked about from eugene debs on, you know, for 200 years. >> yeah, but somewhere in socialist heaven, senator patrick moynihan is looking down and say, "go on, bernie, go on, i'm with you" right, right? >> maybe. >> but, you know, the right says that obama is a socialist. they keep calling him a socialist. can you prove he's not a socialist? >> can i prove he's not a socialist?